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Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by LouieBrown » 17 Dec 2020, 05:44

Away from the anonymous fantasies, let’s briefly give a low down on salaries, because that seems to be one of the scam baiting points around the Internet. Most won’t do this, except with fantasy figures, because it means sticking your neck out and there’s always someone who will say; I got more/less/different, so this is simply a rough guide.

In the middle of the worst recession in a century and in a developing country, as a newbie expect around 6 to 7,000k Yuan ($1061, or 823 GBP). Too low? Let’s do the math. Add onto that free accommodation, Internet connection, health insurance, holiday pay, free holiday air flight … and it’s suddenly become around 9k Yuan ($1364, or 1059 GBP). Still too low? The Chinese cost of living is probably three to four times as low as the west (let’s say 3); in other words, your $1364 or 1059 GBP buys you the equivalent of around $4000, or 3000 GBP of goodies per month and paying 4 to 5% tax. For a starter, with a bog standard degree and a new TEFL certificate, you’ve now got the life style of a highly taxed, qualified western teacher.

State school, with experience? Around 10 to 12,000 Yuan, with the previous add-ons, plus an additional food allowance. That’s my bracket, working nine x 40 minute lessons a week (same as the Chinese teachers), which usually goes up to 10 a week as the semester goes into full swing. Out of that, I save around an annual 60,000+ Yuan without even trying, which when taken back to Thailand is around 300,000 Thai Bahts. Those who have lived or worked in Thailand will know that there are very few teachers in Thailand, if any, saving that kind of amount.

Private? Yes, 15,000 to 20,000 is attainable with experience, but it comes with a catch. For that they will work you into the ground and after you add up all the hours you’ve worked in a month, including the exam prep, marking, extra activities … you’ll be so burned out, you probably won’t notice that you earned what the state school teacher did, but got twice as much because you worked double the hours! Yes, I’ve been there and never again!

Private schools are businesses, so too are recruiters. Just as your aim is to make as much as you can, so is theirs and this sector of the market is where the majority of scams arise from. Using the above maths; a monthly salary of 30,000 Yuan would imply the recruiter is trying to sell you for 40,000 and unless you’re a qualified teacher in your own country working for International schools, 30,000 Yuan a month would put you in the equivalent of an annual western teacher lifestyle of $216,000, or 162,000 GBP a year! It’s an absolute nonsense.

That is why trying to compare a highly taxed western qualified teacher salary with a TEFL certificate in a developing country is misleading at best. There is no comparison, except to use comparable lifestyles.

If you ordinary members of the forum found this post useful, feel free to comment, because I’m getting tired of the linkers, their baiting and agendas being the only response.

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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by Cricket » 11 Feb 2021, 00:07

2021 SALARY UPDATE FOR CHINA

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I think you may be talking about UNQUALIFIED wannabe foreign teachers who are not working with real/verifiable university degrees, and/or Serbian and Ukranian refugees pretending to be American native-speakers or someone working at a black market private school without the mandatory Z visa required to teach LEGALLY.

For Legal teachers that are truly qualified the average salary TODAY in 2021 is 31.000 rmb for AP, Art, Subject, TOEFL, IELTS, and TEFL teachers as confirmed by many sources and not just one tefl recruiter who probably wrote the OP to low-ball everyone applying for teaching jobs in China. Here are the facts https://chinacareercenter.wordpress.com ... per-month/

If you want the CTA breakdown by region look at the above photo chart. If you are earning less, you simply did not negotiate a good contract or you are being cheated by some recruiter who low-balled you and is now pocketing the balance of your salary and splitting it with the principal.
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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by John V55 » 16 Feb 2021, 14:31

Just came across this and agreed LouieBrown, even though much of it was plagiarized from my thread on the same subject (as was another one) and you’re promoting a signature essay writing service. Naughty, naughty, you should quote sources, but OK. :)
the average salary TODAY in 2021 is 31.000 rmb …’ (£3,447 - $4,800), plus all the add-ons of ‘recruiter’s fees, medical insurance, accommodation allowance … WOW! That’s just boosted someone paying around ¥40,000 for a TEFL certificate and a degree in anything in a developing country. As you, or I recently pointed out, that’s x3 the purchasing power in the west, or the equivalent purchasing power of £13,300 - $18,500 pm by an independent (and therefore illegal) ‘union’ in China. No wonder China deports so many foreigners and the ‘union’ should be titled, ‘When gullibility meets greed.’ :lol:

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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by Vagabond » 16 Feb 2021, 14:49

Considering that John has said his China teaching was limited to public schools in Mongolia, wages up there would be the lowest in China, just as they are in Jiangxi and other dirt poor provinces. Here are yet two more sources that confirm the current 2021 salaries are at an all time high.

https://chinacareercenter.wordpress.com ... per-month/

I would also be curious to know the teaching qualifications and skin color of Louie Brown because China is a racist place to work. Does he have a a real verifiable degree, and not a fake or online university degree? Is he a native English speaker? Where did he teach before arriving in China? Real teachers with real diplomas get the best salaries, especially if you are the color the preferred color of the Chinese. It is sad to say this but it is the truth. It seems all the employers prefer blonde haired blue eyed teachers. Those that have tried to sue for discrimination in China learned quickly that that their visa were not renewed and they were soon deported if they did not leave on their own within 10 days.

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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by Cricket » 21 Feb 2021, 00:15

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You know, there are so many variables about the salary YOU will get offered - and the one that YOU will accept. And all of these factors will determine whether you earn $30,000 a year or $100,000 a year as a foreign teacher...

--- Your teaching qualifications and credentials

--- Your teaching destination (a rich or poor country?)

--- The supply and demand of foreign teachers in your destination country

--- Your work schedule - full or part time?

--- Are you teaching at a public. private school, or for a NGO or foundation?

--- Did you select and negotiate directly or use an agent or recruiter?

--- Were you hire from inside the country or imported?

--- Are you a native English speaker?

--- Can you also speak the local language?

--- Will you do class or VIP one to one training?

--- Will you cooperate with marketing activities?

--- How many years teaching experience you have?

--- Do you accept the first offer made to you?

--- Is your employment contract fair or one-sided?

--- Will you moonlight as a private tutor?

--- Will do do some corporate-training on your days off?

--- Did you sign your employment contract directly with your employer or an agent?

So as you can see, you may or may not get the best of deals if you do not do your own job hunting, application, and negotiation. It is most important to have a signed hard copy of your contract BEFORE you buy your plane ticket. Other good tips for getting an honest and fair employment contract can be found here https://chinaforeignteachersunion.wordp ... contracts/
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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by Atlas » 24 Feb 2021, 02:00

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You know, the high salaries we have today in China will probably not stay in the clouds, once the borders open open up again. I expect at least 15,000 teachers to come flooding back in (of the 30,000 that got locked out by COVID). But there are at least 10,000 teachers who were also trapped inside China, who have not seen their families back in their homelands who will just as quickly rush home. So thing will still balance out in favor of the teachers imo. So I anticipate about a 10%-15% drop from the above CTA salary chart, if and when the borders reopen.

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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 09:49

Oh Yippee. More deportations as the gullible join the get rich quick scheme. :roll:

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Unread post by Vagabond » 24 Feb 2021, 12:25

No teacher will ever "get rich" working in China unless they own the school where they are teaching! In fact, even the highest wages paid in Beijing and Shanghai at the international schools are still the least salaries paid to expats in China. This China Daily article is dated but still tells the truth http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/201 ... 384900.htm

But you can live a comfortable good life in China on 20,000 rmb a month. But who want to go home broke ore less than $5,000 for all their China efforts? Those expats willing to learn some Chinese however, can triple their earnings in a different profession. One of my buddies got a great marketing job with Lenovo and is earning over $120,000 a year with great benefits.https://ruqqus.com/+TeachInChina/post/4 ... -to-double Private Tutoring provides me a very comfy life in China and since my wife is Chinese, I will retire here and our kids will get a great education too.
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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 13:06

Stop being so gullible Vagabond. You are not going to earn the salary of a professionally qualified teacher in an International school with a TEFL certificate and you’re not going to earn $120,000 a year teaching English at Lenovo. Private tutoring will get you deported; you know it’s illegal and they will eventually find out. Here’s your advice about retiring in China when married and of course, you’ll need an independent source of income to see you through your retirement.
https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2020/ ... ouse-china

There is the option of applying for Chinese citizenship, but it’s rarely given out to lowly TEFL teachers.

Salaries in Asia are low compared to western ones, but the cost of living is also a lot lower. Your second ruqqus link took me to an empty page with no comments. Pure spam.

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Unread post by Vagabond » 24 Feb 2021, 13:46

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John you are making some false assumptions. I never said anything like you suggest. You cannot earn any decent salary teaching in China WITHOUT A VERIFIABLE 4 YEAR DEGREE. I never even mentioned a TEFL certificate. I myself am earning almost $80,000 a year doing private tutoring with University Students, some post graduate students, and some high school students. I teach far more than English. I also do 6 hours a week of corporate training. At this point I am 90% self-employed. I recently did some substitute training as a favor (never again!) As soon as I get my business license, I will break the $100,000 salary barrier.

My friend at Lenovo is NOT TEACHING. He is doing marketing of Lenovo products at an executive level.
Nobody I know is earning $120,000 a year teaching in China, but I do know two teachers earning that much teaching in Qatar and Dubai.Please carefully read what I wrote above John and try not to twist things around or people will get confused.
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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 14:42

Agreed, I have to make assumptions at times because the three of you spammers are so anonymous.

But let’s cut to the chase, Vagabond. You can’t suddenly turn up anonymously on a website with two others at the same time, all telling people they’re making loads of money and all linking out to the same link farm spam pages and expect people to believe it's a coincidence. No one has a clue who you are and anyone can anonymously do what you’re doing. Even your signature line is spam. The amount of link outs to spam pages says it all.

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Unread post by Vagabond » 24 Feb 2021, 15:25

John, I don't know how much other people are earning in China and how many different jobs they are earning, and I frankly don't care. Once you are in China long enough you make contacts and learn how to cherry pick. I believe the experts who published this chart below, and I am quite happy with my tutoring and corporate training. If I recall, you were also happy with your Mongolian public school salary which is at the opposite end of the pay scale in China. To each his own right? We are both happy with our earnings. End of story. This article is NOT from the CFTU and clearly explains WHY salaries are at an all time high in China. READ! https://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-s ... &jobtype=1

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The CTA and CFTU also disagree with you John. https://opnlttr.com/letter/pandemics-bo ... world-wide
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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 15:41

There’s no point attacking the poster and trying to bait me. You’re anonymous single agenda spammers who don’t agree with what I say. That’s OK, let people make their own minds up. I don’t need spam links to speak for me

OK, I wonder if you could do us all a favour? You being familiar with whitelists, I wonder if you could just point us to ONE school that is paying ¥40K pm for a degree and a TEFL certificate and isn’t a scam among all the misleading dead ends and never ending spam links. I mean, just one will do and surely not a lot to ask?

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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 16:15

I’m just sitting here wondering and I have a question to ask you spammers. Why are so touchy when I mention spam links to anonymous webpages, or the illegal China Foreign Teachers Union? Is there something you’re not telling me? :) Is there a reason you’re continually linking out to these anonymous pages on ruqqus, reddit, wordpress and opnlttr?

‘Salary: Explorer | Glassdoor
16 Feb 2021 — 254 Explorer Salaries provided anonymously by employees. What salary does a Explorer earn in your area?’

Imagine how disappointed I felt when I discovered the image you presented of salary explorer was just another anonymous poster review compilation and not some kind of research project. Still, I shouldn’t really be surprised should I, misleading anonymity is the game, right? :)

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Unread post by Cricket » 24 Feb 2021, 17:16

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Forbes Magazine and Huffington Post published articles 5 years ago that even cited salaries much higher than the low-ball salaries John is trying to say are "average". https://www.forbes.com/sites/jnylander ... -in-china/ I suppose John will now say that Forbes was bribed by the CFTU or some similar bullshit. This chart is also from 2015 from the China Career Center:

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The China Daily newspaper also cites salaries more than double than John claims back in 20818! http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201802/2 ... 3ea3a.html And this here is a chart from Forbes Magazine;

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In 2019, Immigration World magazine (John will say the CFTU secretly owns this magazine no doubt) says China has the third highest expat pay package in the world https://www.immigrationworld.com/etc/co ... -packages/

So y'all can believe John V. Asia or your own lying eyes! Now you may understand why Tefl Recruiter John who always low-balls people hates links that prove him wrong and therefore calls the links "spammy". I call these links... factual. BTW... most TEFL agencies, job agents, and recruiters will send you links like the one below so they can set you up for a big hair-cut. Find your own job, negotiate your own contract, and you will earn double the below numbers if you work in a 1st tier city


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Unread post by John V55 » 24 Feb 2021, 19:52

If I was a TEFL recruiter at the scammy end of TEFL you’d be my first victim. :lol:
BTW, it's John V Asia Teacher, not John V Asia and not anonymous 'Cricket.' 

But anyway, back to my question. I’ll repeat it in case you forgot.
‘I’m just sitting here wondering and I have a question to ask you spammers. Why are so touchy when I mention spam links to anonymous webpages, or the illegal China Foreign Teachers Union? Is there something you’re not telling me? :) Is there a reason you’re continually linking out to these anonymous pages on ruqqus, reddit, wordpress and opnlttr?’ :)

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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by Cricket » 24 Feb 2021, 23:19

A CASE OF SOUR GRAPES? Image

To the Almighty John V. Asia...

1) Who are you talking to?

2) Who in this thread besides yourself ever bitched about any "spam links" besides your resume which you have posted 300+ times on this forum?

3) What makes you think anyone comes to this forum to answer your questions? All you do is antagonize anyone who does not share your point of view.

4) Where in this entire forum has the CFTU ever posted anything at all?

5) Who appointed you as the official bully of this forum?


YOU are the one getting bent out of shape because many people have proved you wrong about your comments about average salaries for foreign teachers in China now and before the COVID hit. Only a TEFL recruiter would not want to teachers to know the real salaries so they could skim the teacher in violation of the law.

CHINA LABOR LAW: HR technicians, job agents and recruiters cannot collect more than one month's salary from ANY employee in China (including teachers).

You have been shown articles from all of the below publications that jive with both the salary charts put out by the CTA and CFTU but you still insist that your paltry Mongolian public school salary is the best you can expect and still be safe. That simply is not true and every veteran teacher in China knows it as do these publications cited above.


Forbes Magazine

Huffington Post

SalaryExplorer.com

Telegraph Newspaper

China Daily Newspaper

CTA News

OpnLttr.com

CFTU Newsletter


Lastly YOU are just as anonymous as every on the internet John V. Asia and your "better than you" attitude is not only annoying but getting old. Make your argument like everyone else and PROVE what you say is true. SUPPORTING LINKS are NOT spam (except in your mind because they prove you do not know it all as you pretend). I will believe the above publications far more than some black market recruiter who lurks on this forum all day preying on newbies to go work at some public schools in Mongolia. Everyone has a choice to work where they want John V Asia. Some may want to work in minus 40 degree Mongolia for 12,000 rmb a month but others may want to earn twice as much and have a comfortable life in Beijing, Shanghai, or Shenzhen. Let people decide for themselves. I now truly believe that all your ranting about salaries is a case of sour grapes John V. Asia

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Re: Realistic Chinese TEFL Salaries

Unread post by John V55 » 25 Feb 2021, 07:40

Nice above post of utter spam, Cricket.

But anyway, back to my question. I’ll repeat AGAIN it in case you forgot.
‘I’m just sitting here wondering and I have a question to ask you spammers. Why are so touchy when I mention spam links to anonymous webpages, or the illegal China Foreign Teachers Union? Is there something you’re not telling me? :) Is there a reason you’re continually linking out to these anonymous pages on ruqqus, reddit, wordpress and opnlttr?’ :)

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Unread post by Atlas » 26 Feb 2021, 00:13

Golly gee whiz... Should I believe FORBES, HUFFINGTON POST, CHINA DAILY, CTA, THE TELEGRAPH, KROLL HR, MERCER HR, THE BBC, CFTU, ECA, SALARYEXPLORER, ETA or.... The old public school teacher from Mongolia? I guess I should think about this for another year and get back to you all.
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Unread post by Vagabond » 26 Feb 2021, 09:08

ECA International a HR Company specializing in Asian job placement of expats and they forecast yet another 15%+ increase of expat salaries across the board by profession in China before the end of 2021. The below info-graphic shows their forecast for all of Asia. Of course, this is based on the continued closure of borders due to COVID...

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