am I too old?

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COLIN
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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by COLIN » 18 Nov 2019, 20:18

Quite a good suggestion.
It is not the age that does the job, but know how and technique which is totally independent of age.
And who would dare to enact such a law? The collude of the oligopoly is always stronger than the scattered group of silent teachers. There is hardly anyone to stand up and defend a just cause, with fear of poking their nose into someone else`s business. But the day is nigh when they will have to feel it on their own skin. So all I can say for now is - good tidings.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by MTE1369 » 23 Nov 2019, 15:30

My experience is that the industry, in general, is extremely ageist, it is easy to research maximum teaching ages in any given country with a simple google search, if you are looking for work on your own, its pretty easy to find, but most of the "Tefl Companies" (some advertising here on TEFL.net) have arbitrary (illegal) age cutoffs well below the law in the applicable countries, when they advertise jobs and programs, and when you question it they will either block you or say they are simply meeting their customers "requirements" and that EU Equal Opportunity Laws are not applicable. But there is work out for "Oldsters" and many schools and companies actually prefer to hire us. Good Luck

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by pasqual » 24 Nov 2019, 16:37

Under EU law it is illegal for any recruiter to discriminate on age. This includes age preference in recruitment ads for ALL websites that are accessible in the European Union (yes, that includes ESLcafe, seriousteachers and a host of other non-EU sites that can be accessed in the EU). I note that tefl.com seldom includes age in their ads, the only age limit I have seen is where it is a government regulation of the host country for the work visa.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by COLIN » 24 Nov 2019, 17:20

That is very good light being shone on the topic guys, thanks.
That puts EU as one of the most just places to work with rational ensured laws. What a pity that we cannot say the same about other massive contractors on the other side of the globe with democratic eruptions in their backyard.

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Re: am I too old

Unread post by DanielLee888 » 15 Jan 2020, 15:32

Joe wrote:
23 Jun 2019, 06:45
There are lots of people over 46 teaching English as a foreign language all over the world, both offline and on. Some countries make it more difficult to get employed after 50 or 60, but it's far from impossible.
absolutely agree

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by COLIN » 16 Jan 2020, 20:53

Quite nice. Cheers. Good to hear some positive news on the topic at last.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by kdammers » 19 Jan 2020, 06:49

Re: post by pasqual » 24 Nov 2019, 16:37
"Under EU law it is illegal for any recruiter to discriminate on age. ... [T]he only age limit I have seen is where it is a government regulation of the host country for the work visa."

So, EU countries can and do practice age discrimination, but EU recruiters can't.

That almost makes it worse: recruiters are not allowed to tell you that you're too old even though the government will say you are when you apply for a visa.

By the way, about fifteen years ago, Germany had age limits for work, not (just?) for visas. I have a German work visa that appears to still be valid, but both formal and informal restrictions probably would make it nigh on impossible for me to work there -- at least in a government school.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by marceltr » 24 Jan 2020, 14:21

You are great. Really. My white envy for you.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by gargdev » 27 Jan 2020, 12:01

Age is not the determinant and yes can do anything anything at this age. HIT IT BANG ON. :D

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Age upper limit?

Unread post by jmczzz » 12 Jun 2020, 13:53

Finding an opportunity to teach does seem to me to have an upper age limit. As a retired and pensioned USA Public School teacher with 30+ years licensed K-12, teaching adjudicated teen boys, adult men's prison, and conversational English in Peru and Mexico. My education includes two Bachelor of Arts degrees and a Master of Science in Education. I also have considerable experience in Business, Computer center operations, and accounting. I have a 168-hour level 5 TEFL certificate from TESL.org.
I thought I could find a part-time minimum pay Teaching position, even a volunteer place because I am a good teacher, and I love teaching. I have applied to close to 100 open positions since the beginning of 2020.
So far, no position, not even a rejection letter. I am an active, capable, and caring teacher.
I am 77 years old. It seems like a wast of the remaining years I am willing to give, but nobody seems to want me. I am wondering, does anyone know of a volunteer position or organization that handles volunteers? Perhaps TEFL.com might open a section for we older but better teachers that aren't ready to hang up our lesson plans.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by kdammers » 12 Jun 2020, 15:02

Have you tried applying in Mongolia? I have never seen age listed as a factor in ads for jobs there, and when I was there, age never came up. Also, I don't know of age being a factor here in Kazakhstan. I am 75, and our German teacher is about the same age. We don't have an opening at the moment, but if you are interested in working in Almaty, let me know for the future (Covid-19 dependent).

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by jmczzz » 12 Jun 2020, 16:53

Thank you, Yes I am interested, just let me know. James

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by TheNightBeak » 14 Jun 2020, 05:01

COLIN wrote:
18 Nov 2019, 20:18
But the day is nigh when they will have to feel it on their own skin. So all I can say for now is - good tidings.
What an odd post!

Where are you from, Colin?

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by kdammers » 22 Jun 2020, 14:21

@ jmcc: I sent you an e-mail through tefl.net giving my e-mail address and asking for your resume, but I haven't gotten a resume from you.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by jmczzz » 22 Jun 2020, 16:04

Really sorry but I have not seen that request, if I knew how to send a resume' to you I would do it now. I will try to find out how to do that. thank you, James McPherson

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by kdammers » 22 Jun 2020, 16:23

Okeh, I got it.

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Re: am I too old?

Unread post by MTE1369 » 23 Jun 2020, 17:08

"if I knew how to send a resume' to you I would do it now. I will try to find out how to do that"

Maybe this is the problem

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