Complaints about Dave's ESL Cafe

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Walt Gomez
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Complaints about Dave's ESL Cafe

Unread post by Walt Gomez » 03 Dec 2019, 12:11

1) If a teacher found a job on eslcafe, but was subsequently swindled, not paid or even trapped in a foreign country by the employer without payment, or otherwise deceived, and he/she then reports on his/ her horrifying experience on ESL Cafe's forums, Dave ' s ESL cafe has been known to remove his/her posts and block the teachers' account/ ban him/ her. One may guess that such swindling companies pay for the job ads and are a source of revenue.

By doing so, does not Dave ESL cafe become indirectly complicit in what amounts to nothing less than human trafficking? And the victims of such human trafficking are the ones getting banned.

2) Dave's ESL cafe is located in California, USA, but it routinely posts job ads that discriminate by age, sex and even place of birth. When this was raised in the forum, again the poster was banned, and the post was deleted.

Why is this being allowed to happen? Shall we organize and sue them? Class action anybody.

I was banned by them after reporting a horrifying experience in Saudi Arabia by one of their advertisers.
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Re: Complaints about Dave's ESL Cafe

Unread post by John V55 » 03 Dec 2019, 15:17

Dave Sperling’s ESL Cafe has been going for years and is well known for being morally and ethically bankrupt. It started off OK, but he makes his money from advertisers and the revenue that keeps the place going is King. From spam to scams and misleading adverts, ESL is a market leader in shady recruitment practices. I didn’t know people still used that place, but at the end of the day it all goes back to the old adage, ‘Buyer Beware.’ Or in the case of Dave’s ESL Café, if it sounds too good to be true, it’s not probably, it definitely is. :)
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Re: Complaints about Dave's ESL Cafe

Unread post by pasqual » 04 Dec 2019, 12:20

The problem for those of us in Europe is that despite there being EU laws which are supposed to prevent discrimination in recruitment advertising (this means any job site accessible in Europe), job sites from outside the EU continue to include discriminatory content in their job posts. Indeed even some EU-based sites contain these posts (just do a search of this very site tefl.net and you will see what I mean). If there are laws in place, they need to be enforced.

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Re: Complaints about Dave's ESL Cafe

Unread post by John V55 » 04 Dec 2019, 12:53

‘When in Rome …’ Europe is a very small part of the world and especially if we’re job searching other parts of the world we have to be knowledgeable as to their requirements. I’d rather be aware of what is available to me than endlessly apply for employment and not be aware that I’m never going to get it. Most of the rest of the world outside the EU is very discriminatory and they don’t hide the fact. I already know that employment in Asia at my age is a definite no, so why waste my time?

Recently in Britain I applied for a job (not teaching). In an informal phone discussion with HR I stated that there is one particular role I wouldn’t do, but if they were happy with that, I’d come for an interview. No problem they said, I went for an interview and didn’t get the job. In a follow up email I asked for feedback as to why I didn’t get the job and was told because I wouldn’t be happy in the role I’d already been told wouldn’t happen! I wasted my time and theirs and it was all nice and non-discriminatory and obeying all the regulations, but I’d have much rather they said no at the outset as they already knew I wouldn’t be suitable.
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