Steve wrote:All was going well until I caught myself (a native speaker) saying,
"If I'd have won the lottery, I'd have bought a Ferrari"
Now, we all know that an if-clause cannot contain a 'would', so that 'd must be a 'had'. "If I had have won the lottery...." - it looks bad written down, doesn't it?
The shortened form doesn't sound wrong, but I can't find anything to back it up. Is this a bit of dialect creeping in or have the grammar books forgotten to mention this "anomaly"?
Steve wrote:...doesn't 'should' take the place of 'if' in your example?
Steve wrote:I realise we have the options, "Should I have won..." and also "If I were to have won...", (which are both a little too formal these days) but I'm not sure 'should' would ever be shortened, ie the 'd is a shortened 'had'.
I think it's probably OK to say, "If I'd have won the lottery.. ", but not to write it.
Steve wrote:Just out of interest, how do you introduce conditionals?
Del wrote:Sorry for dragging up this old thread... but I think this may be a dialect thing. Steve, you don't happen to be Irish do you? I am, and I constantly hear myself (and other Irish people) saying things like this: If I'd've won the lotto I'd've bought a ferrari.
Of course I don't teach this though!
I think the mystery 'd does stand for 'had' because when emphasising the condition this becomes:
'If I hada' won the lotto....' (or 'If I hadn'ta' won....') with the -a' presumably taking the place of 'have'
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