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	<title>Comments on: The most overrated things in TEFL Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Darren Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.tefl.net/alexcase/tefl/overrated-in-tefl-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-7950</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you mean this Nick?

http://www.livesofteachers.com/2009/10/10/what-does-it-mean-to-know-a-word/

Anyway, I used to pre-teach (after all, I did a CELTA). I also used to teach what Scott Thornbury calls &#039;Grammar McNuggets&#039;. I could whip you up a past perfect continuous lesson in a flash. But now I prefer to take a bunch of stuff in the room and let the learners make sense of it, add to it, manipulate it. Pre-teaching means that the activity is too difficult, or that the teacher doesn&#039;t trust the learners, or that they don&#039;t have confidence in themselves. They need to learn to deal with unknown vocabulary by ignoring it, guessing it, checking it, negotiating it... whatever.  I am only there  to pre-teach for 90 minutes a week, so what will they do outside the classroom when they encounter authentic texts / language?

But having said all that, Paul Nation is pretty keen on balance. And he is a chap who knows a thing or two.... http://languagelinks2006.wikispaces.com/file/view/nation,+four+strands.PDF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean this Nick?</p>
<p>http://www.livesofteachers.com/2009/10/10/what-does-it-mean-to-know-a-word/</p>
<p>Anyway, I used to pre-teach (after all, I did a CELTA). I also used to teach what Scott Thornbury calls &#8216;Grammar McNuggets&#8217;. I could whip you up a past perfect continuous lesson in a flash. But now I prefer to take a bunch of stuff in the room and let the learners make sense of it, add to it, manipulate it. Pre-teaching means that the activity is too difficult, or that the teacher doesn&#8217;t trust the learners, or that they don&#8217;t have confidence in themselves. They need to learn to deal with unknown vocabulary by ignoring it, guessing it, checking it, negotiating it&#8230; whatever.  I am only there  to pre-teach for 90 minutes a week, so what will they do outside the classroom when they encounter authentic texts / language?</p>
<p>But having said all that, Paul Nation is pretty keen on balance. And he is a chap who knows a thing or two&#8230;. http://languagelinks2006.wikispaces.com/file/view/nation,+four+strands.PDF</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am one of those people that doesn’t like to introduce vocab out of context&quot;

But surely that is what pre-teaching is?? 

Anyhow, in summary, the post is called &quot;overrated&quot;, not &quot;totally useless&quot;. My philosophy of teaching is that people who do it should try and do without (That&#039;s you Nick!) and people who don&#039;t (That&#039;s me!) should give it a go again, but obviously in a different way to how they did it before</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am one of those people that doesn’t like to introduce vocab out of context&#8221;</p>
<p>But surely that is what pre-teaching is?? </p>
<p>Anyhow, in summary, the post is called &#8220;overrated&#8221;, not &#8220;totally useless&#8221;. My philosophy of teaching is that people who do it should try and do without (That&#8217;s you Nick!) and people who don&#8217;t (That&#8217;s me!) should give it a go again, but obviously in a different way to how they did it before</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.tefl.net/alexcase/tefl/overrated-in-tefl-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-7927</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s like something I would have written too, but I can&#039;t find it either. I like to be ineffective where I can though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s like something I would have written too, but I can&#8217;t find it either. I like to be ineffective where I can though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Jaworski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Jaworski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best reason occurred to me at the gym a couple hours ago:  so I don&#039;t have to explain the same words to every student 25 times as they read a text rather than only explain it once.

On your comment, I am one of those people that doesn&#039;t like to introduce vocab out of context.  I think you&#039;re right and it can be useful for noticing, but I have so many students that like to compile word lists with translations next to them and it&#039;s so ineffective that I don&#039;t want to provide them with an example of a method like that.  I saw a post on this somewhere.  It sounds like something Darren would write about, but I can&#039;t find it on his blog, so no link I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best reason occurred to me at the gym a couple hours ago:  so I don&#8217;t have to explain the same words to every student 25 times as they read a text rather than only explain it once.</p>
<p>On your comment, I am one of those people that doesn&#8217;t like to introduce vocab out of context.  I think you&#8217;re right and it can be useful for noticing, but I have so many students that like to compile word lists with translations next to them and it&#8217;s so ineffective that I don&#8217;t want to provide them with an example of a method like that.  I saw a post on this somewhere.  It sounds like something Darren would write about, but I can&#8217;t find it on his blog, so no link I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good reasons, and in fact people&#039;s responses to this post and thinking on it more made me try a new way of pre-teaching by giving them vocabulary lists for the whole unit before we start it. I always expect my students to know every word in the book, including in the tapescripts, by the time we finish it, so that was a way of pointing out what vocabulary is likely to be difficult, useful etc so that they notice it when they read or listen (noticing being a huge vocabulary teaching buzzword) and so have two more stages where it could stick. Many people think you should never introduce vocabulary out of context, but I&#039;m not entirely convinced by that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good reasons, and in fact people&#8217;s responses to this post and thinking on it more made me try a new way of pre-teaching by giving them vocabulary lists for the whole unit before we start it. I always expect my students to know every word in the book, including in the tapescripts, by the time we finish it, so that was a way of pointing out what vocabulary is likely to be difficult, useful etc so that they notice it when they read or listen (noticing being a huge vocabulary teaching buzzword) and so have two more stages where it could stick. Many people think you should never introduce vocabulary out of context, but I&#8217;m not entirely convinced by that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Jaworski</title>
		<link>http://www.tefl.net/alexcase/tefl/overrated-in-tefl-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-7893</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Jaworski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess I still pre-teach vocab :P  You&#039;ve got some great points here Alex and you made me question something I never thought about much before.  That&#039;s why I love these blogs.  It&#039;s the most development we can get sometimes.

I pre-teach for a couple reasons

1) To hit key words that the students will need to understand the text.

2) To eliminate the need to sneak peaks at dictionaries during the actual activity.

3)  To create pronunciation recognition.  There are so many times my students know a word, but can&#039;t understand it in the listening because they pronounce according to L1 rules.

4)  So my students aren&#039;t overwhelmed by new words and shut down.  Sometimes I like to challenge my students with something a bit tougher, but, if there is too much new vocab, they&#039;ll give up on the task before we even start.

5) To get my students used to listening to definitions, synonyms, explanations, and sentences in English rather than trying to translate them.  Bascially, I&#039;m modeling what I want them to do in the future.

Honestly, I&#039;d have to say I pre-teach vocab at least once a week.  You&#039;ve got me thinkin though.  I think I&#039;ll try to change that.  I also create homework activities the day before, play word games, or actually do a vocab lesson prior to a main activity to get the new words in.  Those are probably better and more useful than simply teaching it.  

I&#039;m glad you linked back to this or I would have missed it.  Count one teacher as influenced :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess I still pre-teach vocab :P  You&#8217;ve got some great points here Alex and you made me question something I never thought about much before.  That&#8217;s why I love these blogs.  It&#8217;s the most development we can get sometimes.</p>
<p>I pre-teach for a couple reasons</p>
<p>1) To hit key words that the students will need to understand the text.</p>
<p>2) To eliminate the need to sneak peaks at dictionaries during the actual activity.</p>
<p>3)  To create pronunciation recognition.  There are so many times my students know a word, but can&#8217;t understand it in the listening because they pronounce according to L1 rules.</p>
<p>4)  So my students aren&#8217;t overwhelmed by new words and shut down.  Sometimes I like to challenge my students with something a bit tougher, but, if there is too much new vocab, they&#8217;ll give up on the task before we even start.</p>
<p>5) To get my students used to listening to definitions, synonyms, explanations, and sentences in English rather than trying to translate them.  Bascially, I&#8217;m modeling what I want them to do in the future.</p>
<p>Honestly, I&#8217;d have to say I pre-teach vocab at least once a week.  You&#8217;ve got me thinkin though.  I think I&#8217;ll try to change that.  I also create homework activities the day before, play word games, or actually do a vocab lesson prior to a main activity to get the new words in.  Those are probably better and more useful than simply teaching it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you linked back to this or I would have missed it.  Count one teacher as influenced :)</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hit the nail on the head there Alex...

Anyone out there actually pre-teach vocab post-CELTA? Might be a survey in the making?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hit the nail on the head there Alex&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone out there actually pre-teach vocab post-CELTA? Might be a survey in the making?</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you teaching the vocab?

If it will be tested at a later date and is one of the key reasons for actually doing the reading, do it properly and make sure the students really get to grips with it. Exploit its use in context to the full.

If it will merely aid understanding of the text, you could even go as far as giving an L1 equivalent to really speed things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you teaching the vocab?</p>
<p>If it will be tested at a later date and is one of the key reasons for actually doing the reading, do it properly and make sure the students really get to grips with it. Exploit its use in context to the full.</p>
<p>If it will merely aid understanding of the text, you could even go as far as giving an L1 equivalent to really speed things up.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be quite a few, so if anyone wants to do a similar guest piece get in early before people lose interest in it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be quite a few, so if anyone wants to do a similar guest piece get in early before people lose interest in it!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, and I never did do much pre-teaching. On the odd occasion I did it went much as Alex outlines above. 

I&#039;d say if you have to pre-teach vocab the text/task are too hard for the level. 

I prefer a simple gist task - perhaps as simple as 3 questions - What&#039;s it about? Why is it important/interesting? [If neither why are we reading it??] What will happen next? (if appropriate). Then I get the students to use dictionaries or do a matching exercise to learn the vocab. Next, they can do the fiddly &#039;test&#039; questions.

It&#039;s nice to do a skills transfer activity - writing a summary from memory (using the new vocab as a framework) or retelling the story. Split readings are great and all too rare in coursebooks.

When I do preteach vocab I usually use it as a dictionary skill task. But I agree, it&#039;s unnatural and awkward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, and I never did do much pre-teaching. On the odd occasion I did it went much as Alex outlines above. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say if you have to pre-teach vocab the text/task are too hard for the level. </p>
<p>I prefer a simple gist task &#8211; perhaps as simple as 3 questions &#8211; What&#8217;s it about? Why is it important/interesting? [If neither why are we reading it??] What will happen next? (if appropriate). Then I get the students to use dictionaries or do a matching exercise to learn the vocab. Next, they can do the fiddly &#8216;test&#8217; questions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to do a skills transfer activity &#8211; writing a summary from memory (using the new vocab as a framework) or retelling the story. Split readings are great and all too rare in coursebooks.</p>
<p>When I do preteach vocab I usually use it as a dictionary skill task. But I agree, it&#8217;s unnatural and awkward.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and how many parts will this series run to, Alex? ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and how many parts will this series run to, Alex? ; )</p>
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